[Catalist] Religions and the Theory of Biological Evolution

Mon Aug 14 19:18:11 AEST 2017

Yes I will sign. Anyone who believes that a whale is intelligently designed must be nuts. It is a mammal that walked on the Earth at one time but was so badly designed that its weight dictated that it had to move into the ocean for mobility. 

Why should this be an issue in Australia where we are relatively sane compared with USA here 40% of them believe that the Earth is only 4000 years old?

Roy

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Hey,

I just signed the petition "Minister Simon Birmingham: STOP funding schools that teach Creationism." and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name.

Our goal is to reach 2,500 signatures and we need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here:

https://www.change.org/p/minister-simon-birmingham-stop-funding-schools-that-teach-creationism?recruiter=10128070 <https://www.change.org/p/minister-simon-birmingham-stop-funding-schools-that-teach-creationism?recruiter=10128070&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive&utm_term=118866> &utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive&utm_term=118866

Thanks!

Kim

On 14/08/2017, 10:21 AM, "gpmcmahon1" <gpmcmahon1 at gmail.com <mailto:gpmcmahon1 at gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm with Mike. I would say "stop teaching Intelligent Design in science classes" for the same reasons I would say "stop teaching French, Roman History, non-Euclidean Geometry. .." All interesting, valuable subjects but they are not part of the science curriculum. 

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LOL, Brendan, sorry

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"Why not teach them all?” asks Tom

…. because in the science classroom we teach the science of evolution that is backed by a strong preponderance of multiple lines of evidence.

Myths and other non-science ‘theories', past and present, can freely be taught in English, History and other parts of the curriculum

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On 14 Aug 2017, at 11:30 am, Tim Keely <T.Keely at curtin.edu.au <mailto:T.Keely at curtin.edu.au> > wrote:

 <http://listverse.com/2013/03/08/10-alternatives-to-evolution/> http://listverse.com/2013/03/08/10-alternatives-to-evolution/

why not teach them all?

Please people, please.

Tim Keely

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Dear Michael

Thanks for the posting of this article.  

I believe that as an educator it is our responsibility to educate the students and deliver material to them allowing the students to make an informed decision.  This relates to theories past and present.

I am surprised that you would ask a teacher to stop teaching intelligent design and reduce the potential for the students to make informed decisions to become independent learners based on the information provided.

I also find it disconcerting that you needed to state "(a Catholic)".  It should not matter which religion you are to teach Science or scientific theories/laws/practices to students.

Michael Podgorny JP
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Greetings Science Colleagues,

Some years ago as Science Head of Department in a WA State Government senior high school, I had to ask a science teacher (a Catholic) to stop teaching intelligent design to his Year 10 science students.

URL 1:  <http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/id_checklist> http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/id_checklist

URL 2:  <https://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory> https://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory

URL 3:  <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/

URL 4: <http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/05/the-whys-of-religion-vs-evolution/> http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/05/the-whys-of-religion-vs-evolution/

URL 5: <http://sci.waikato.ac.nz/evolution/EvolutionReligion.shtml> http://sci.waikato.ac.nz/evolution/EvolutionReligion.shtml

I have recently studied the Stanford Encyclopaedia Philosophy: Religion and Science. I was especially interested in the reasons for the historical decline of Science in Islamic countries. [The Stanford Encyclopaedia Philosophy: Religion and Science being a dissertation on Philosophy is a difficult read!]

Section 2.2 “Science and religion in Islam” in the online publication “The Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy: Religion and Science” states that: “The defining characteristic of Islam is its belief in one God (Allah), who communicates through prophets, including Adam, Abraham, and Muhammad” and that; “Allah’s revelations to Muhammad are recorded in the Quran, the central religious text for Islam” and that; “Since the Quran explicitly mentions the special creation of Adam out of clay, most Muslims refuse to accept that humans evolved out of hominin ancestors. Nevertheless, Muslim scientists such as Guessoum (2009) and Rana Dajani (2015) have advocated acceptance of [biological] evolution.”

Reference URL 6: <https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religion-science/> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religion-science/

Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

URL 7: <http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/657/biological-evolution-an-islamic-perspective/> http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/657/biological-evolution-an-islamic-perspective/

NAS Online Evolution Resources

URL 8: <http://www.nas.edu/evolution/IntelligentDesign.html> http://www.nas.edu/evolution/IntelligentDesign.html

URL 9:  <http://www.nas.edu/evolution/FAQ.html> http://www.nas.edu/evolution/FAQ.html

Best Wishes,

Michael John McGarry

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