[Catalist] Physics Education at the 23rd AIP Congress

Sat Jun 2 17:39:40 AEST 2018

Hi Roy,
I personally would not have chosen a Catholic school because I’m not Catholic. I don’t agree with it being compulsory at year 11 and 12 Level either but hey that’s a personal opinion. My son is however occasionally overcome with the sporting commitment of being in a 1st’s team at a PSA school and thus may affect his choices in 11 and 12.
The reason I left Research Science was the uncertainty of contracts and the crazy hours I had. So I thought I shall teach, that will be easier, hahahahahahahaha.
But at least I got to work with you, best sense of humour :)

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On 2 Jun 2018, at 1:50 pm, Leon Harris <leon at quoll.com<mailto:leon at quoll.com>> wrote:

Thanks Roy, you are very kind.

For teachers, we need to modify the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics here to something like: "Shut up and keep marking !".
Alas, I fear the kind of change is too hard for our kind of society under these conditions.

These things act against us:
1) 3 year election cycle - can't do long-term planning.

2) Collapse of the public service as a "check and balance" that could provide the long-term view that is missing in 1)

3) Rise of the client-server model in the educational context. Customer(student/parent) happiness does not necessarily map onto system success. This is particularly clear when the goal of parent and system don't align (ie one wants the maximum grade(benefit) for their child and the other wants the fairest and most accurate measurement of the child's ability that will give a suitable benefit to that child). Don't blame the parents - hey I seek to rort the system to my child's benefit too! Just be mindful of the conflict and don't pander to the parent.

4) Shift to exam focus rather than mastery focus. Continually refining the teaching strategy to fit the instrument that assesses its success means pruning away of "deep mastery". We don't teach reasoning, logic, or problem solving, we teach NAPLAN and ATAR. As generations of teachers come through this system, their knowledge and skill base becomes whittled away, and we will continue to sink ever lower (Unless we are able to sell our folly to our competitors as best practice! ).

So yeah,
shut up and keep marking.

Above all, enjoy the sunshine and the beautiful weather, it is still affordable on a scientists salary!
Cheers,
Leon

On 2/06/2018 12:07 PM, Roy Skinner wrote:
Wise words Leon – as always!
You could apply your reasoning to becoming a teacher of physics. I think in 20 odd years here I have only had 2 of my students go into teaching physics.
Much better to become a footy player!
Roy

From: Catalist [mailto:catalist-bounces at lists.stawa.net] On Behalf Of Leon Harris
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:56 AM
To: Catalist <catalist at lists.stawa.net><mailto:catalist at lists.stawa.net>
Subject: Re: [Catalist] Physics Education at the 23rd AIP Congress

Hi Roy,
I'd be suspicious that your students answer may just be an excuse. Plenty in religious sector do physics, around where I live more than in the state sector (data from 5 years ago).
There are plenty of bright kids in state schools who dodge physics due to lack of need and stress-avoidance. Why would you do it if there is no reward for it?

My experience in the religious sector was that kids tended not to do much out of hours. To most of my scienc-ey kids, a 51% grade in RE was a 1% waste of effort, and only necessary to avoid the 49% waste of effort that a 49% grade was! Quite an instructive little lesson there in measurement uncertainties (aka, try harder, unless your measurement scale is very fine!).

The big, unspoken, yet-to-be-courageously-acknowledged elephant in the room is that there are few rewards for high performance in STEM. Real estate and finance are far more lucrative. Bankers get bucks, scientists get soft contracts until they are 35, and then they get desperate and get into teaching or real estate. This needs to be fixed, as that kind of human capital takes decades to create, and the "burn it up and throw it away" approach to the profession that Australia has is very poor at utilising our talent base. Anyone recently taught a postdoc molecular biologist doing a dip Ed? I seem to recall that the retention rate "in their chosen field" for most scientists is somewhere south of 10%, a decade out of graduating with a higher degree.

Second big idea: We need to move away from a "game-able" education system. We need to shift the culture: the exam isn't the goal, it is an instrument by which we measure knowledge gain. Until we do, with the apparent stakes so high for a 17 year old, they will play it. Wouldn't you, if your future depends on it? It is up to us (the educational professionals) to engineer the system - we should modify to set culture, not just take the culture imposed by the lowest common denominator of society. That will take years of work, persuasion, media and politics. I may not see it in my time.

Look at subject choice and career from the perspective of the person entering it:

1) Do I need this subject for this career?
2) Can I have a decent life, with time for love, recreation, experiences if I choose this career?
3) Will I be secure, be able to have a house?
4) Will I be happy and fulfilled?
5) Will there be time for other things in my life?

Summary: If you want to increase the number of people doing something, you need to examine their motivation system and then align your offerings to that. Motivation drives choices and decisions!
Cheers,
Leon

On 2/06/2018 10:14 AM, Roy Skinner wrote:
Maybe I am opening another can of annelids here but on the subject of fewer students taking physics I would like to offer an anecdote.
One of the girls I teach after school who is studying chemistry and is very bright was asked why she wasn’t doing physics.
She replied that she went to a Catholic school and had to study RE as a compulsory extra subject on top of the others. The extra subject would put a strain on her she said.
Is this unfair pressure on students in Catholic schools?
What do the teachers in Catholic schools think?
Roy

From: Catalist [mailto:catalist-bounces at lists.stawa.net] On Behalf Of John Clarke
Sent: Friday, 1 June 2018 12:19 PM
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Subject: [Catalist] Physics Education at the 23rd AIP Congress

Hi All,
The AIP Conference is in Perth at the end of the year at UWA. There will be a couple of days for Physics teachers / educators. The Call for Papers is open for another few days. Details below.

John

Physics Education at the 23rd AIP Congress

A shout out to passionate Physics Teachers and Educators, we would love to hear from you at the Congress!

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We have kick-started planning for plenty of activities at the congress. Help us spread the word amongst Physics educators of all levels that this congress is for them!  We are also planning to run professional development sessions for school science teachers. And of course, make sure to submit your own abstract for a presentation! Abstract submission is open until 15 June 2018.

If you have any new ideas/suggestions please feel free to contact your PEG team. If you have a suggestion for a invited speaker, please let us know.

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