[Catalist] Fwd: Re: Belief in Creationist Pseudoscience in Australia
gpmcmahon1
gpmcmahon1 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 23 09:42:09 AEDT 2017
Hi LeonAn interesting discussion. Could you explain the logic behind your statement that the first cell didn't come from a deity because the existence of a deity cannot be tested? BTW have you seen the 2007 movie Flatland?
Cheers Graham
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From: Leon Harris <leon at quoll.com>
Date: 22/11/2017 11:27 PM (GMT+08:00)
To: Catalist <catalist at lists.stawa.net>
Subject: [Catalist] Fwd: Re: Belief in Creationist Pseudoscience in Australia
Well not from a flying spaghetti
monster. Nor from any other being not supported by testable
evidence.
Many, I suspect, haven't fully formed a view of who. At our
current stage of cultural development, we are more focussed on
working on how. At this time, we apparently can't see beyond the
singularity of the big bang, but there is no evidence of a deity
available between now and that point. If there were, scientists
would be religious, because we deal in evidence.
When somebody discovers something, you are welcome to quote John
20:27 to me. Until that time, scientists will mostly remain
sceptical.
On 22/11/2017 11:05 PM, SAMUELS Norbert [Balga Senior High
School] wrote:
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It could therefore be considered
surprising that almost 60% of Australian adults
believe that God or a supernatural being was behind the
universe and all life, and the majority of these
people do not accept the well-established theory of
evolution but believe that God brought about this universe
and life, fully developed and similar to how we see it today, out of
nothing.”
Reference 1 URL:
https://www.plainreason.org/articles/survey-creationism-australia/
So if creationist believe evryyhinh that we see today was
brought about from nothing.
Where do evolutionist belive it came from?
Sent from
my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From: Gregory Munyard <gmunyard at iinet.net.au>
Date: 22/11/17 11:21 am (GMT+08:00)
To: catalist at lists.stawa.net
Subject: Re: [Catalist] Belief in Creationist Pseudoscience
in Australia
Dear All
What a pity we can’t be
a bit more broad minded and accept that evolution
doesn’t actually provide ALL the answers to the orgins
of life (e.g. the “evolution” of DNA/ RNA polymerase,
helicase, the whole protein synthesis system – without
protein synthesis there is no polymerase), that there
are many erroneous and fraudulent discrepancies
(Haeckel’s embryos, the Biston betularia scandal) and
that the science behind evolution is sadly lacking (we
weren’t actually there to see what happened, so it’s not
observational science). From my limited perspective,
this post could equally be entitled “Belief in
Evolutionist Pseudoscience in Australia”. Now, let’s
see the feathers fly.
Regards
Greg Munyard
From: Catalist <catalist-bounces at lists.stawa.net>
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Date: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 at 10:41 am
To: "catalist at lists.stawa.net"
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Subject: Re: [Catalist] Belief in Creationist
Pseudoscience in Australia
Dear All,
I’d like
to thank Michael McGarry for raising the issues below,
and in particular to those relating to the Australian
Academy of Science. As a new Fellow of the Academy (FAA)
I have asked that the page at the last link below be
rewritten, and until this has been done, be removed from
the site. It has now been removed, and I hope to see the
new draft before it goes public.
Kind
regards,
Igor
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From: Catalist <catalist-bounces at lists.stawa.net>
on behalf of Michael McGarry <mmcgarry44 at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Catalist <catalist at lists.stawa.net>
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2017 8:45 am
To: Catalist <catalist at lists.stawa.net>
Subject: [Catalist] Belief in Creationist
Pseudoscience in Australia
Greetings Science
Colleagues,
“It could therefore be
considered surprising that almost 60% of
Australian adults believe that God or a
supernatural being was behind the universe and all
life, and the majority of these people do not
accept the well-established theory of evolution but
believe that God brought about this universe and
life, fully developed and similar to how we see it
today, out of nothing.”
Reference 1 URL:
https://www.plainreason.org/articles/survey-creationism-australia/
“Fundamentalist Christians
believe their entire religious edifice will crumble
if they accept the raw facts of evolution. The vast
majority of Christians fully embrace Darwin’s
Theory, yet Creationists persist with teaching their
children the alarming myths of Genesis and the
“literal truths” of the Old Testament.”
Reference 2 URL:
https://www.plainreason.org/articles/intelligent-design-id-and-irreducible-complexity-ic/
Why do 60% of Australian
adults reject the Theory of Biological Evolution?
Hypothesis 1: Do 60% of Australian
adults reject the Theory of Biological
Evolution because: “In Australia’s public schools,
students are now routinely exposed to evangelism
from very conservative Christian groups?”
“Marion Maddox uncovers the
surprising impact of these groups on once secular
public schooling, and the ways in which governments
have been persuaded to support their cause.”
Reference 3:
https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/general-books/current-affairs-politics/Taking-God-to-School-Marion-Maddox-9781743315712
Marion Maddox URL:
http://www.mq.edu.au/about_us/faculties_and_departments/faculty_of_arts/mhpir/staff/staff-politics_and_international_relations/professor_marion_maddox/
Hypothesis 2: Do 60% of Australian
adults reject the Theory of Biological
Evolution because when students learn about
biological evolution in their science classes,
students with fixed religious-mindsets, ‘inherited’
from their parents and ‘churches’, reject the
scientific evidence for biological evolution?
Religions and Australian
Constitution Law and Politics
Colleagues may find these
two papers on the interplay of religions, politics,
and constitutional law in Australia most
informative?
ICLRS URL:
https://www.iclrs.org/content/blurb/files/Australia.1.pdf
CAROLYN EVANS URL:
http://law.unimelb.edu.au/news/MLS/professor-carolyn-evans-appointed-deputy-vice-chancellor
AUSTLII URL:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZLawHisteJl/2007/3.pdf
CHARLOTTE BAINES URL:
http://adm.monash.edu/records-archives/archives/memo-archive/2004-2007/assets/includes/content/20100217/stories-around-monash3.html
Religious Parents who
refuse Medical Treatment for their sick Children
AIFS URL:
https://aifs.gov.au/publications/citizen-child-australian-law-and-childrens-rights/8-medical-procedures-children
AVANT URL:
http://www.avant.org.au/news/20151103-court-intervenes-in-non-urgent-situation-for-child-of-jehovahs-witness-parents/
KEMH URL:
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